Who thought it was acceptable to post this? Hurrem was allowed to give birth to more than one son which was a stark violation of the old imperial harem principle, "one concubine mother one son," which was designed to prevent both the mother's influence over the sultan and the feuds of the blood brothers for the throne. Theories I presented are with facts of ottoman etiquette and evidence from History books. You can cite thousands of pop culture books with erronous facts, rumours and misconceptions. Learn how and when to remove this template message, CrimeanNogai slave raids in Eastern Europe, De moribus tartarorum, lituanorum et moscorum, "2 Reasons Why Hurrem Sultan and Empress Ki were similar", "Ottoman Empire History Encyclopedia - Letter H - Ottoman Turkish history with pictures - Learn Turkish", Constantinople: City of the World's Desire, 14531924, "Hrrem Sultan: A beloved wife or master manipulator? As far as I knowWorldandhistory (talk) 09:53, 6 April 2016 (UTC) If Sultana cannot be used for a "Birinci Kadin" then Hatun should also not be used. +64 3 687 9228. There is a possibility of both titles therefore no title should be put in. Yet they were called Sultana for being Sultan's Kadins (Wives) You have a very little knowledge you are only referring to a few (if not one) online source and claiming that was it. Hope you understand. During the campaign against Safavid Persia in 1553, because of fear of rebellion, Suleiman ordered the execution of Mustafa. Her greatest philanthropical work was the Great Waqf of AlQuds, a large soup kitchen in Jerusalem that fed the poor. In this case, Suleiman not only broke the old custom, but began a new tradition for the future Ottoman sultans: To marry in a formal ceremony and to give their consorts significant influence on the court, especially in matters of succession. Address: According to reports of theVenetian ambassador, Mustafa was the whole joy in his mothers life, and Mahidevran was a highly effective figure in her sons court. I am sorry but Facts do NOT leave room for doubts. Former lover of Sultan Suleiman.But who was she before? As Mulkhurub Bahar Idarovna blossomed into an eye dazzling beauty, her father saw this as an opportunity to strengthen the political relationship between the Caucasus and Ottoman Dynasty. Hurrem's salary was 2,000 aspers a day, making her one of the highest-paid Hasekis. Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.218.117.86 (talk) 20:21, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], It is of much importance that the article you cite mentions Nurbanu Sultan as being a "bas kadin" when talking about the fact that, despite "kadin" and "haseki sultan" carried different meanings, they had equivalent importance in the harem. For the series' last season, she is portrayed by Turkish actress Vahide Perin. Little Prince Mehmet (named after Mustafas half-brother) wasexecuted at just six years old. Basic Books. If you must, then make the title read as "Mahidevran" only. I badly need a reliable source to back either claim. I oppose changing the title from Sultan to Hatun. Around 1541, the Venetian ambassador wrote that Mustafa foundeda great court in Amasya, which paralleled that of his father. Hurrem Sultan makes plans to get rid of ehzade Mustafa and his mother Mahidevran Sultan as she sees them as a threat for the throne. If you can't answer logically or factually, then don't bother polluting this section with your not so smart "History" idea. Copyright 2023 | MH Magazine WordPress Theme by MH Themes. Hurrem acted as Suleiman's advisor on matters of state, and seems to have had an influence upon foreign policy and on international politics. Please, change the title to simply "Mahidevran"; all the other speculation can remain in the biography part. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. The Ottoman Empire, 13001650: The Structure of Power. Mahidevran was: theoretically, the daughter of a hatun, a birinci kadin, but never a sultana: she didn't legally marry Suleyman. 190.218.117.86 (talk) 05:20, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Also, let's not forget that many of those artistic/theatrical depictions are based on rumors and fictitious creations for the sake of entertainment. Doug Weller talk 15:40, 12 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], The Haseki Sultan was chief consort, and Hrrem Sultan was Sleyman's. Moreover, remaining in Istanbul, she moved out of the harem located in the Old Palace (Eski Saray) and permanently moved into the Topkap Palace after a fire destroyed the old harem. Our ancestors said that the plague goes away once the trees shed their leaves in autumn."[26]. This is your own point of view that just because she was called cariye she was of non-notable family. She imprinted her seal and watched the council meetings through a wire mesh window. She's a hatun, not a legal wife, still had similar privilege as a haseki, her son didn't become sultan: all the facts point to her not being officially a sultana. Hope you got my point. The cause of death is a specific disease or injury, in contrast to the manner of death, which is a small number of categories like "natural", "accident", "suicide", and "homicide", each with different legal implications. - Worldandhistory (talk) 18:40, 29 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Wow, it seems you desperately did some personal research, you have all the time in the world don't you? Where are the administrators of this page anyway? Images of the chief consort emphasized her beauty and wealth, and she is almost always depicted with elaborate headwear. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mahidevran_G%C3%BClbahar&type=revision&diff=713103324&oldid=713093101, https://www.google.com/search?q=mahidevran+hatun&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=mahidevran+hatun&tbm=bks, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=9SrUAAAAMAAJ&dq, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=JYk-AQAAIAAJ&q, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=ZXUQBwAAQBAJ&pg=PT95&dq, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=tjFpAAAAMAAJ&dq, https://www.google.com.pk/search?q=mahidevran+sultan&rlz=1C1CHWL_enPK572PK572&oq=mahidevran+sultan&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i60l2j69i65j69i60j0.3952j0j4&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#q=mahidevran+sultan&tbm=bks, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ottoman_titles_and_appellations, http://www.theottomans.org/english/family/harem2.asp, http://www.theottomans.org/english/glossary/index.asp, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=5WT1BQAAQBAJ&source=gbs_navlinks_s, http://www.theottomans.org/english/references/index.asp, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=9VYNAQAAIAAJ&q, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=b48lAQAAMAAJ&q, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=-2MMAQAAMAAJ&q, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=h27sAAAAIAAJ&q, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=4xlIAAAAMAAJ&q, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=4ddqaCdZdZ0C&pg, https://books.google.fr/books?hl=fr&id=nktpAAAAMAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=mahidevran, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=9VYNAQAAIAAJ&q=mahidevran+kadin&dq=mahidevran+kadin&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi_pvmNi-nLAhVCNxQKHX11Bx0Q6AEILDAC, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=b48lAQAAMAAJ&q=mahidevran+kadin&dq=mahidevran+kadin&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi_pvmNi-nLAhVCNxQKHX11Bx0Q6AEIMjAD, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=b48lAQAAMAAJ&dq=mahidevran+kadin&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=mahidevran, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=9VYNAQAAIAAJ&q=mahidevran+kadin&dq=mahidevran+kadin&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj895vvl_DLAhVFHxoKHWzlD90Q6AEILDAC, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=hCEtAQAAIAAJ&q=mahidevran+Ba%C5%9F+kadin&dq=mahidevran+Ba%C5%9F+kadin&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwijqeKzmPDLAhVDMhoKHa4wDm0Q6AEINjAE, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Mahidevran&oldid=1013384743, Unknown-importance biography (royalty) articles, Wikipedia requested photographs of royalty and nobility, Unknown-importance Women's History articles, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, It is requested that a photograph or picture of this person be, This article has not yet received a rating on the project's, raziye was born 1525 her mum's mahidevran also mahidevran was Circassian noble that is mahidevran's nephew's interview. -Le temps viendra (talk) 22:32, 10 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply], Clear this matter Le temps Viendra Khondoker Jobair (talk) 05:03, 12 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply], Mentioned her survival possible after Hurrem a death is not sound real. ", That's not the correct conclusion, though. She may not have been called that before Mustafa's coming of age, but when Mustafa became apparent heir, her Title (according to Ottoman traditions) automatically changed. [9], During the reign of Selim I,[10] which means some time between 1512 and 1520, Crimean Tatars kidnapped her during one of their CrimeanNogai slave raids in Eastern Europe. We have not seen another such example after 15th century of a Senior consort being not called Sultana. WebMahidevran became full of spite, bitterness, jealousy, arrogance, cruelty, and sorrow. She was in the second rank after Hafsa Sultan(Valide Sultan) in the harem according to the Ottoman tradition. An extra piece of information, in 15th century, the Tatars, Caucasians, Albanians, and Russians were all considered part of ""Circassia"". | Ottoman History", "A Message For The Sultan - Sample Activity (Women in World History Curriculum)", "Religious Information Service of Ukraine", "Reference to Roxelana's Russian origin removed from label near her tomb in Istanbul at Ukraine's request", "Before the Odalisque: Renaissance Representations of Elite Ottoman Women", Roxolana in European Literature, History and Culture, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Roxelana&oldid=1133986613, Short description is different from Wikidata, Articles needing cleanup from December 2022, Cleanup tagged articles with a reason field from December 2022, Wikipedia pages needing cleanup from December 2022, Articles containing Turkish-language text, Articles containing Ottoman Turkish (1500-1928)-language text, Articles containing Ukrainian-language text, Articles containing Persian-language text, Articles with unsourced statements from April 2020, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, David Chataignier, "Roxelane on the French Tragic Stage (1561-1681)" in, Thomas M. Prymak, "Roxolana: Wife of Suleiman the Magnificent,", Galina Yermolenko, "Roxolana: The Greatest Empresse of the East,". The problem with the sources you cite is that they're recent and are rooted in speculation, just as all of your post above. In the 20112014 TV series Muhteem Yzyl, Hurrem Sultan is portrayed by Turkish-German actress Meryem Uzerli from seasons one to three. 113.203.177.1 (talk) 18:52, 28 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Dear Keivan.f, If you see above, I and 2 other users have written a novella on the "chief consort" subject. Let's figure it out.#sultantv #ottomanempire #magnificentcentury #ottomanempirehistory Traditionally, when a new sultan rose to power, he would order all of his brothers killed in order to ensure there was no power struggle. That's very funny!!! Check your inbox or spam folder to confirm your subscription. ?--Phso2 (talk) 21:39, 26 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]. Although he never visited Istanbul, he either imagined her appearance or had a sketch of her. My most sincere friend, my confidant, my very existence, my Sultan, my one and only love. She often suffered from lack of money 2 until Suleimans death; Sultan Selim II later increased her income to help her. Whatever the case, the result was bitter for Mahidevran; Suleiman started to neglect her as punishment. [31], A skilled commander of Suleiman's army, Ibrahim eventually fell from grace after an imprudence committed during a campaign against the Persian Safavid empire during the OttomanSafavid War (153255), when he awarded himself a title including the word "Sultan". She commissioned a bath, the Hurrem Sultan Bathhouse, to serve the community of worshippers in the nearby Hagia Sophia. The name Abdullah may be used as a generic patronymic (father's name) for slave converts but this name was and is very common for any royal family as well as a common family in any Islamic dynasty. At 5 years, survival was 45% (95% CI, 43% to 49%), and 43% of the deaths were noncardiovascular. He was very intelligent and had a strong politic education. Page contents not supported in other languages. 63), an opera by Denys Sichynsky, a ballet, plays, and several novels written mainly in Russian and Ukrainian, but also in English, French, German and Polish. WebAnd Mahidevran was the proud mother of Sehzade Mustafa,who was the most potential and talented heir apparent to the throne.And Mahidevran was not like the other Consorts of Which memorial do you think is a duplicate of Mahidevran Hatun (174192522)? Despite Mahidevrans warnings, he stayed in close contact with the other princes. Not hesitating for a second thought, he offered his beautiful daughter, as a gift, to the young prince." Thank you. And there is no problem in distinguishing the difference between her, Gulfem Hatun and Fulane Hatun. As we can clearly see from your contribution list. It was the first complex constructed in Istanbul by Mimar Sinan in his new position as the chief imperial architect. [14] She is the sultan's consort with the most portraits in her name in the Ottoman Empire, though the portraits are imaginary depictions by painters. The Tatars may have first taken her to the Crimean city of Kaffa, a major centre of the Ottoman slave trade, before she was taken to Istanbul. Also I would like to repeat a point I made earlier, the interview with her alleged descendant cannot be overlooked. Uzunarl, smail Hakk; Karal, Enver Ziya (1975). Of these, Mahidevran's son Mustafa was the eldest and preceded Hurrem's children in the order of succession. Pathetic joke!! The title of this page has to be changed and needs to be protected from any form of cultural erasure. Why not any other Hatun has that article differences. Scholars have wondered if Hurrem's alliance with Mihrimah Sultan and Rstem Pasha helped secure the throne for one of Hurrem's sons. Please consider all sources available. [2][3][4][5] She has been known by this title since Nurbano's time. Two of her letters to King Sigismund II Augustus of Poland (reigned 15481572) have survived, and during her lifetime the Ottoman Empire generally had peaceful relations with the Polish state within a PolishOttoman alliance. Hurrem's birth name is unknown. ((reftalk))Reply[reply], There is no consensus to add the interview of an "alleged descendant" of Mahidevran to this article. All the facts have been laid out but you still want to call Mahidevran a sultana when she wasn't: she didn't legally marry Suleyman, nor was the mother of a sultan. Acting on Hurrem Sultan's orders, Rustem Pasha had engraved Mustafa's seal and sent a letter seemingly written from his mouth to Shah Tahmasb I, and then sent Shah's response to Suleiman. Chteau de Blois A favourite royal residence, The Daughters of William the Silent Emilia Antwerpiana of Nassau. Teodora Maria Ungureanu Teodora Maria Ungureanu (talk) 23:19, 23 May 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Teodora Maria Ungureanu Teodora Maria Ungureanu (talk) 23:20, 23 May 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Why is she called Mahidevran Sultan in this article? [16]:132 Although she was Suleiman's wife, she exercised no official public role. "The Speech of Ibrahim at the Coronation of Maximilian II", Thomas Conley. If that is wrong, Wikipedia should never ever cite an interview source in any other article as well. 125.209.82.212 (talk) 13:40, 4 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], I agree with the latest proposal. Also note the rank Kadin or Birinci Kadin ended with Mahidevran, this rank changed to Haseki Sultan (logically this is what happened). But "sultan" is not a nickname: "sultan" is a royal manner of addressing that is deeply ingrained in Ottoman culture and reflects the times of the events that unfolded(such as the change in their use as generations passed). God willing, it will go away as soon as you return to the city. The poem in the show was written by Mustafa's companion, Yayha Bey. In real life, Yayha Bey also did write a poem too. So it was not Suleiman himse He was accused of collaborating with the Shah and was executed in the battle camp. Mahidevran could hardly have predicted Hurrem Sultans success. Her supposed rivals relationship with Suleiman (r. 15201566) was unprecedented, a 190.218.117.86 (talk) 02:43, 4 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], "Denying a deceased person of its possible title" you just put yourself in evidence here. Likewise Abdullah Frres's children were not slaves by nature. Give me one name of the mother of potential heir to the throne (like mustafa) who wasn't called Sultana after 1500. While the book is a reliable source as per WP, it seems you only want to cite this book and use only this book's information on all the articles related to the Ottomans; their daughters, princes, wives, mothers, etc. Not to mention that "was a chief consort" doesn't make much sense, because a implies that there is more than one which is a contradiction to the meaning of chief. Osmanl tarihi, Volume 2. Before Hrrem Sultan, every consort was called hatun. I asked you to provide a source calling M's father Abdullah a Slave. If it was up to people making subjective propositions for every wikipedia page, then there would be millions of the same subject; there can't be 6 billion wikipedia pages of the sun, there can't be 6 billion pages wikipedia pages of earth, and of course there can't be 6 billion pages of Mahidevran. Please stop making assumptions and accept the facts, this article needs to be changed to only Mahidevran, and all the theories and speculations, and doubted accounts can remain in an subtitle, because "doubt" and "speculation" do nothing to educate and help people. Since the empire lacked, until the reign of Ahmed I (16031617), any formal means of nominating a successor, successions usually involved the death of competing princes in order to avert civil unrest and rebellions. Wikipedia doesn't work like that. In 1561, three years after Hurrem's death, the French author Gabriel Bounin wrote a tragedy titled La Soltane. Suleiman (r. 15201566) actually had multiple sons, almost all of whom would predecease him. By the time he became Sultan, he had three: Mahmud, Mu p. 401. :) There is no harm in mentioning "cheif consort", specially since Sulieman have had 3 other consorts. This tells how important and high ranking Birinci Kadins were (see any ottoman dictionary you like to see what Birinci Kadin means and what was their positions in early history of Ottoman.) The change of titles was to differentiate a legal wife from a concubine/consort/unrecognized wife or however you want to call it. [24] This title, used for a century, reflected the great power of imperial consorts (most of them were former slaves) in the Ottoman court, elevating their status higher than Ottoman princesses, and making them the equals of empresses consort in Europe. Worldandhistory (talk) 00:10, 25 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], You did not answer my first point, no where in the article does it say she belonged to a noble family, the article is now free from any claims of her being scion, the article simply focuses on her origins. Mahidevran and Mustafa lost one more time, now Selim (the second son of Hrrem) became the governor of the Manisa. The leading cause of death in subjects with preserved EF was noncardiovascular disease (49%) versus coronary heart disease (43%) for subjects with reduced EF. Either way, this was another significant break from established customs, as Sultan Mehmed the Conqueror had specifically issued a decree to the effect that no women would be allowed to reside in the same building where government affairs were conducted. The Ringling Museum in Sarasota, Florida, purchased the original or a copy around 1930. Why does she have sultan next to her name? For the first and only time in the Ottoman Empire, a female sultan exchanged letters with a king. Mahidevran had only one son, it was Mustafa. WebDeaths in June 2017 passed! According to the same tradition, Mahidevran had to leave Istanbul to accompany her son. Since that title was created for Hrrem, this does not affect Mahidevran, who was important nonetheless as the mother of the oldest prince, but not a Haseki. She did not spend her last years in poverty, as her stepson, In rare cases, an autopsy needs to be performed by a pathologist. Hence it is possible, though not likely, that Mahidevran also carried the title Sultan. For the record, The books I referred are History books, recalled by actual accounts, I didn't cite a popular history book or a theater play. This King (Sultan) did not have many successors left by 1511, for his only surviving son was Prince Sulieman (who later became Suleiman the Magnificent). It seems you consider a Talk page as a comment war section, well it's not. Mahidevran, concubine of Suleiman the Magnificent Birth Place: Bosporus, Turkey Birthday: 1500 Death Date: February 3, 1581(age 81) Thank you 113.203.177.1 (talk) 18:32, 28 March 2016 (UTC) https://books.google.com/books?id=VLVoAAAAMAAJ&dq, http://www.odatv.com/n.php?n=iste-gercek-mahidevran-0910121200, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=tjFpAAAAMAAJ&dq=mahidevran+sultan&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=mahidevran, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=JYk-AQAAIAAJ&q=mahidevran+sultan&dq=mahidevran+sultan&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=ZXUQBwAAQBAJ&pg=PT95&dq=mahidevran+sultan&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj7ntDe0sjKAhUGZg8KHRUPAg8Q6AEIOTAG#v=onepage&q=mahidevran%20sultan&f=false, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=SAIZCAAAQBAJ&pg=PA86&dq=mahidevran+sultan&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwix5YWtk83KAhUMHxoKHSPbApQQ6AEIRTAI#v=onepage&q=mahidevran%20&f=false, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=5WT1BQAAQBAJ&pg=PT240&dq=mahidevran+sultan&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwix5YWtk83KAhUMHxoKHSPbApQQ6AEITTAJ#v=onepage&q=mahidevran&f=false. After the executions, Mahidevran moved to Bursa to build a proper grave for her son and lived there until her death in 1581. Best. She had a Kira who acted as her secretary and intermediary on several occasions, although the identity of the kira is uncertain (it may have been Strongilah[39] or Esther Handali[citation needed]). Roxelana (Ukrainian: , romanized:Roksolana; lit. 125.209.82.212 (talk) 22:11, 1 April 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]. New York: Palgrave Macmillan. She built numerous mosques, madrasahs, hammams, and resting places for pilgrims travelling to the Islamic holy city of Makkah. The references you've cited present a clear inconsistency with defined Ottoman titles and therefore they are invalid.190.218.117.86 (talk) 16:57, 1 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], This is the point, whether she was a main wife or not. Subscribe to our free weekly newsletter and stay up to date on History of Royal Women's articles! Thank you From Khondoker Jobair. She was presented to Suleiman when he was still a prince. This tradition was called Sancak Beylii. Worldandhistory (talk) 18:40, 23 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], --Phso2 (talk) 17:48, 24 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Hi again, sorry I noticed now you added "suggests she was a cariye, thus of non-notable family" I will have to remove it because the source only called her Cariye and did not specifically says that she was of non-notable family. [33] Cihangir, Hurrem's youngest child, allegedly died of grief a few months after the news of his half-brother's murder. We are not going to talk about the conspiracy theory you was trying to drag me into "Hurrem planning the execution of Ibrahim" it is so off base and irrelevant. Hrrem Sultan never left the capital to accompany her sons, and she became more and more precious for Suleiman, and afew years later they got married. Mahidevran tried to save her only grandson, but she failed again. In this article the sentence about Mahidevran's origin had been changed several times. If interviews can be cited in Wikipedia for every living or dead person, why there is so much debate in this one? +14 more. I began this website in 2013 because I wanted to share these women's amazing stories. In the times of Suleyman, not everyone could be addressed that way. I called both the contributor and the gallery to show any link to Rosne and so far I get none. She is known to be a legal wife before Hurrem Sultan, but not so popular since Hurrem Sultan was the first "slave" to become a legal wife, hence, only Hurrem's being a legal wife is so popular. This site uses cookies to improve your experience and to help show content that is more relevant to your interests. On the case of Roxelana, it was a nickname she was given that didn't elevate or lowered her status and wasn't a direct reflection of Ottoman culture but more of the influence she had on history. Also, she became an important symbol of how ottoman consorts never had a permanent position in Harem and politics as it was only after Mahidevran with whom the Ottoman started respecting their royal consorts, it is obvious, that when Hurrem Sultan was given such elevation the same time the mother of heir apparent was alive and living in the Harem, that Mahidevran was also considered as Sultan's family member and hence the title. Mahidevran played a great role during her sons education as governor. 125.209.82.212 (talk) 15:03, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], We see that Birinci Kadin is what a woman who has bore a first child; you're overlooking what I said: it was Hurrem who married legally Suleyman and broke the 200 hundred tradition, not Mahidevran; in any case, she can't be called a sultana. Interview source in any other article as well Amasya, which paralleled that of his father, paralleled! 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