dickerson fly rod tapers

9 wt 0.0890. (Robin Haywood), I consider a 7 1/2-ft. 5wt. (Chris Obuchowski). 7 wt 0.0790 I don't particularly like the idea of an "exact" clone, it takes away from the makers personal touch IMHO and never will be the real deal. It does not do anything to the action as most of the last 3 inches is inside the ferrule anyway. .212 is way too big for a 13/64, it's well into the 14/64 fit range. As Will predicts, this is a very pleasant and easy rod to cast. I will be bringing it to Korea next trip to go for trout here in the eastern mountains. (Gary Nicholson), The chap is obviously of unsound mind as the Perfectionist is IMHO one of the all time worst taper rods out there. His total production was fewer than 1,000 rods. (John Silveira). If you move it up to the mid section you might add a hinge that gets involved in the normal cast.. which is usually to be avoided. Assuming this to be thus you have made adjustments so small that they are mostly below normal error, and if we allow a factor for variation in natural materials then the exercise becomes entirely futile except as an exercise in applied physics! I hope this is for step down ferrule. Hmmm. If you are looking for a Dickerson rod or have one that you would like to sell please contact us. If you look at the individual changes every five inches, no they are not always .014, but the mean and mode are .014". Everything is subjective, but for me Morten, the 1949 version of the 8013 listed in the Lovely Reed is the best version of this taper. Dickerson rods have the charm of being different (and scarce). I deducted .005 for the varnish. It could very well be that you could order just as fast a Payne. by Mike McGuire 06/16/16 23:29, Post I would suggest you should RESPECT the man (as well as EC Powell and others) who made contributions to providing us all with tools to understand and continue to develop taper design (Hexrod being one, a powerful and easily applied tool, I believe based on Garrison's math). One from the 1950s, one from the 1970s, and Russ Gooding's Golden Witch version. Consider this, the aspect of looking at tapers as deviations from straight lines is most valid when you are designing from numbers and not from stress or deflection. by softstick 05/09/09 04:36, Post That's so the swell is still in the action length. faster tapers. Starting at a tip dimension specific to a given line weight you add diameter to the length of the rod in linier increments until you reach the rod length you want. 75 0.279 126179 by Aransas.clarks 05/09/09 02:49, Post double taper silk lines at short ranges. Forgot to mention before, Rich Jezioro is taking a set of 11-12/64 ferrules to Grayling for the silent auction for me, so if anybody's interested you can see them there if you're attending. That's like saying that only the 49ers could find gold. Just as the "super Z's" have a female barrel that is 2/64's larger than the bamboo sleeve or male insert, it is the same, but opposite with the Dickerson style "stepped" ferrules. Leonard patent, I believe. Your projected experiment may be described as simplistic and wasteful of time by some, but I think that you will learn a very great deal about what you personally like about taper rates. 765: 7'6" 2/2 5 wt. About a week ago I was fishing the hex hatch on a certain small Wisconsin stream for the first time in many years, with a 7.5 ft 5wt, and actually wished I had a much shorter rod, given the overhanging trees. Dies are not so easy to make that he would have probably have made an entire offset set. The difference is for a step-down ferrule. I would also like to know why a Dickerson 7613 taper imparts those characteristics. The line weight standards are simply points in what is really a continuous spectrum. Mr. Garrison did indeed design excellent rod tapers, but his tapers as well as all tapers ONLY HAVE A STRAIGHT HORIZONTAL STRESS CURVE under a very specific set of line conditions, outside of these conditions the SC is no longer Horizontal or straight but just another Curve. Both tapers conform to the shape broadly called parabolic and thus will have the shortcomings that all rods of this misconceived taper share. he then concludes with a diabolical smile. 0.178 But if you decide to tell the world that this is therefore the right way to design a fishing rod then I'm going to disagree with you! .let's see; Winston rods are straight tapers, so are Powell's B series (his most popular), and Garrison's. This is, of course, wildly unsatisfactory, but all attempts to reduce the problem seem to last for only a short time. Why? (Larry Swearingen), Sorry about the double question, original question appeared lost in cyberspace. Inevitably, if part of the strain is caused by rings ferrules and varnish, as it must be, then its resultant effect will detract from the weight of line that rod will cast. Gift of Heidi Bedford, Yearc. I think you are being a tad myopic, if you can't see that .016, .014, and .015 AVERAGE OUT to equal .014". I fail to see anything in the manor of specifications for your making a point that you feel there is a difference between the two, in fact I would like to show you that they are, under the right conditions, EXACTLY THE SAME. 5 .096 .244 by avyoung 06/16/16 18:33, Post (Bob Norwood), That is kind of what I was thinking but if the rod is 7'6", that is 90". (Jerry Foster), Where do you get that? 80 0.3 Ya'll, I have built this & I use a 6 weight forward on it. (Lew) Parks. It seems several people have made rods for a given ferrule size (Dickerson #) with a size larger Super-Z. Besides, he's a fun guy to chat with about almost anything to do with fly fishing and the outdoors. 40 .202 .375 Click Here for Rod Raffle, Great Brown, Rainbow and Cutthroat Fly Fishing. Lyle Dickerson oft written about little powerhouse of a rod. (Timothy Troester). the all-around trout rod out here in the Western US. 0.168 Taxes and shipping calculated at checkout, Browse our bamboo fly rods in stock and available now, Browse our collection of reels in stock and available now. DICKERSON 801610 - 8' 3/2 - 5wt- honey colored - medium powerful action trout fishing rod this rod is my favorite 8 foot Dickerson - originals are very rare - incredible power in a true 5w$ 2150us (all 3pc 2tip rods)DICKERSON 7613 - 7'6"- one of my all time favorite 5wts, copied in Dickerson's style can be custom made with tips of four different actions below: DICKERSON 7613 LS - the lightest of this series - for closer casting to 40 feetDICKERSON 7613 L - very nice all-round trout taper, full, medium fast actionDICKERSON 7613 M - quick, full dry fly rod - nice to have when the hatch startsDICKERSON 7613 H the 6wt, "big gun" of this series, good for big flies, streamers, $ 1750us w/one tip $ 1950us w/two tips $ 2150us w/three (or all 3pc 2tip rods) $ 2350us w/full set of four tips in all actions. The best reason that I can give you as to why Dickersons are popular tapers (Along with another Michigan maker Paul Young) is that they are nice casting rods and fit our fishing very well. Maybe they were off a little but I have no reason to believe that if his 13 die were 13.5 he would not have marked it thusly. As we all know, rods can often cast line weights one up and down from their designated ones. Yes. (Will McMurrey). Right, I've printed that off and made a brief study. 25 0.1405 Here are the tapers of the Dickerson 8014GS from the rod Jeff Fultz mic'ed and from Banjo's rod, since I had several requests both on and off list, I'll post here so anyone who wants them can save them. Made by Top Ten Tapers in Twinsburg, Ohio. This is the equivalent of a Powell B-8.70, a bit slower than the Powell B-9. Halstead. My vote goes to L.C. (Robin Haywood). Cross Rods. Though the course may change sometimes, rivers always reach the sea. Pezon/Michel. I would highly recommend the 8013 for your first Dickerson rod. You have a rod with a taper of approximately 0.0028 per inch. I think it is a fantastic taper. I just fished them both side by side on the Green River. Kind of sounds like a pro Pickard crowd here. 3 months after I had the guy back on the phone asking me to make another one as its the best rod he has ever had. Take a virtual tour of our terminal and view our campus map. Another maker who knows Dickerson tapers very well is Rick Cunningham. I will assume that you have calculated those several effects correctly, although I see no details. Lyle Dickerson Spurred into rodmaking by losing his job in the great depression, Lyle Dickerson would go on to become one of the masters of the craft. Again, there is slight flattening around the ferrule, and I suspect the measurement at 35" is due to machine operator error/technique rather than designed in. I would agree that one system is not all encompassing and I agree with the selection of evaluating criteria you outlined. The Dickerson step down ferrule concept I need to know. At Headwaters Bamboo Rod Company we build our rods based on proven "historical" tapers, meaning that the tapers we use were designed by Twentieth Century bamboo fly rod craftsmen. I personally have never been able to use them to describe the characteristics of a taper. This system could also be very helpful to understand why a classic taper feels the way it feels. 40 .200 under grip They would be, Heavy butt section, Light butt section, heavy tip, light tip, Parabolic (heavy in the middle) and the hinge (light in the middle). Click Here for Rod Raffle About Bob New Rods Purchasing & Shipping Dickerson Garrison Gillum Glass & Graphite Hardy Heddon Leonard Miscellaneous Rods Orvis Books & Catalogs Other Items Payne 0.088 Somehow the "D" was either left off by me in the original posting or was lost in translation to David's site. (Mark Wendt). Tel: 802-362-3300, Summer That is all I did! I've built this one which was posted to the rodmaker's listserv years ago. The swell starts at the 80" mark which will be under the cork assuming I have a grip and an insert roughly 10" in length. .248@15 (Jay Hake), Apparently Dickerson didn't think so. (four piece) carbon fiber fly rod blank $85.00 13' 7/8wt. I don't find the 7'6" length to be too short. Ten measurements on the butt and ten stations on the tip. 0 0.068 .203 is about all you can get into a 13/64 ferrule. Howell says "they are just different" in his book, but I am looking for something bit more specific. Only lost 1/2 inch in rod length. So far all those posted were missing the 1st station on the butt section. Different tools for doing different things. 90 0.329 Is there a classic taper that roll casts better any others? They were both practicing engineers! How drastically do you think it would change the action if I pushed the swell out in front of the handle? 0.093 Don't leave us hangin' here with a sniper shot and leave ;-) (Mark Wendt), Truth be known, I prefer Payne to Dickerson. 15 .128 .278 The 6611 has a swelled butt unlike many versions I've seen and is an especially sweet rod. However, a straight line taper will create a rod in which the angle of deflection will increase from the butt to the tip at linear (constant)rate. Maybe it is the version of the taper they are making, there are several out there. Listed as 7 wt but that seems kinda heavy? Can someone email me the taper or point me in the right direction? 0.206 An 861711 would be an 8 1/2' three piece, with the butt-to-mid ferrule being a size 17, and the mid-to-tip ferrule being a size 11. Even if EC did "compound" his B-9 taper just in front of the ferrule for a specific reason, it wouldn't negate the fact that this is AT HEART A STRAIGHT TAPER. the grip so I did some interpolation. If you look at the attached graph you will see that my Compensated Straight Line Taper does indeed have a Straight Horizontal Stress Curve at 20 feet of line outside the tiptop. In reading my post the tone seems a little harsh. Fly Fishing Supplies & Gear. Thanks. I haven't tried a WF6 but suspect it'd be about perfect. That is up to the tip transition point, or max tip stress point according to Garrison. The 1952 Dickerson is similar to the GW except it's a 5/6 wt. 'smoothed' tapers are a result of computer tapers and exhibit a poor understanding of how dickerson designed his tapers. This board is for discussing the collecting of bamboo fly rods, both classic and modern. (Bob Norwood). I only use short rods on overgrown streams. the stated ferrule dimensions always follow from the TIP dimensions, not the butt dimensions. As Stephen points out if you can cast the rods then graph them out you really start to understand how it all comes together. 2 piece. That has compensation for the ferrule and the Varnish & Guides. The other issue is mandrels and they just don't come in 1/128 sizes. Even if you take off 0.006 for varnish, in case that wasnt done, its still a 7 1/2 wt. As most of you already know Paul Young was notorious for having quite a few different tapers for the same model over the course of his career. The 1st station on the butt section is NOT .214, it should be.208@0, then as follows: .214@5 Rod makers history, value guide and general discussion, Link to Orvis Database by Greg Reynolds, Link to EC Powell's Mechanics of fly casting. We all have devices to try to self describe tapers. Over the last few days there has been a long thread about rods breaking at the female ferrule. Looking at the 5" dimensions for the Dickerson 7613 (1970 taper), there is a big swell under the grip. .232@10 It will be one of the rods in what I am calling my Basic Reference Taper set. 20 0.131 154180 That his tapers could be surpassed by todays standards? Interesting thoughts on line weight and the first 20", I will have to roll that one around in my head for awhile. (Ted Godfrey), I can say the one I don't like is the one in Ray Goulds fine book, 'Cane Rods, Tips and Tapers', page 85. At location 45, the taper shows the numbers 208/213. All Rights Reserved. Start out by choosing your fly rod, and follow it up with a visit to our collection of fly reels. But you also have the opportunity to add or remove material any ware alone the length of that rod and doing so will have an taper specific effect on the casting/fishing characteristics of the rod. When fishing bamboo for trout I believe the "best" length is an 8 foot rod. .278@25 This will be three tips (light, heavy and SLT), three butts (light, heavy, SLT), a parabolic and a hinge. (Greg Holland), Who knows, he may have just been responding to a client request, presume he had to eat. I repaired the rod with by putting on a custom ferrule. 5 .092 .242 The 1970 Dickerson has the same type tip as the 1952 except it has a very shallow flex in the upper butt and a faster swell into the butt, a 4/5 wt, faster rod. Grayrock 96. 90 0.296 157251. On Corrib I used an 8'8''#4 nearly all the time, in fact I designed it for the job. Actually, your second post said what I was going to say, look at the graphs. The Dickerson 7612 taper a smooth medium action 4 wt that is 7 1/2 long in a 2pc. (Weren't they made in a garage?) (Robin Haywood). Here's a classic Winston from the Hexrod taper archive. : This is a 5 wt line SLT. Rods also tend to have varying sweet spots in terms of when the amount of line out feel just right. by alpom 05/08/09 03:35, Post The guy turns out to be a top casting instructor. One of these days I am going to get myself a DICKERSON! Ephemera, empherma and Ephemerella.. Photos, paintings, written stories and talents. All through this process you must be aware of the stress curves as well, you don't want to make changes that will cause a rod to fail. The long column to the right of that is what we think the raw cane would have measured, subtracting for varnish, and interpolating between our measurements so as to put everything back on 5-inch stations. If I were to make it I would use .040 bring the 80" value to .328, this is enough to stop all the rod action. For anyone who hasn't done so, it is a really simple and useful exercise to combine tapers for rods of the same length and line weight in a spreadsheet such as excel and make a line chart of them. 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